#135 Hollywood CEO: How to Look Powerful in Any Room | Jeremy Zimmer
Most important take away
Great deals are largely won before anyone walks into the room. Jeremy Zimmer, co-founder of UTA, argues that pre-deal groundwork (aligning expectations between buyer and client), understanding your real competitor (the platforms, not your peers), and ruthlessly protecting culture over short-term revenue are what separate operators who last from those who flame out.
Summary
Key themes
- Apprenticeship and taste still matter. In a world where execution is being standardized by AI, the ability to discern good from bad work (a “voice” on the page, a transcendent moment on screen) is the rarest asset. Zimmer argues aspiring creatives should be students of their craft first and read widely, because taste is cultivated, not downloaded.
- Passion for the product is non-negotiable. When Zimmer evaluates young talent or would-be agents, the one constant filter is whether a movie (or whatever the medium) has ever been a “transcendent experience” for them. Without that root-level connection, the commerce side of the business will grind them down.
- Pre-deal work beats in-room heroics. “Deals are kind of done before you actually get in the room.” The secret is aligning both sides on ground truth, what the client normally earns, what the budget actually allows, where the gap has to be bridged (backend, ownership, etc.) before negotiations start, so the final conversation is mediation, not combat.
- Know who your real competitor is. Zimmer’s “shepherds and the castle of gold” metaphor: agencies were so busy stealing each other’s clients they missed that the platforms (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube) held all the leverage and were quietly dismantling backend ownership, the real wealth mechanism of the business. Every industry has the same risk: obsessing over guppies while the shark eats the pond.
- Diversify before you have to. Seeing that traditional film/TV backends were evaporating, Zimmer pushed UTA into music, sports, broadcasting, and publishing through 19 acquisitions in 13 years, because growing from zero organically is too slow when the ground is shifting.
- Competition makes you sharper, not bitter. Decades of rivalry with Ari Emanuel taught Zimmer to emulate what competitors do well, ignore what they do poorly, and respect them without needing them to lose. At the top level, the game is more gentlemanly than people assume.
- Culture over toxic high performers. Every time UTA removed a toxic but successful personality there was a short-term dip, then a bigger step forward. Signaling that culture matters more than short-term money is how you earn the trust that lets people weather setbacks.
- Stand up when it’s inconvenient. Zimmer’s 2017 memo after the Weinstein story, canceling the Oscar party in favor of a rally against the Muslim ban, and standing by M. Night Shyamalan through rough stretches, were not ROI calculations. He argues corporate silence today (versus the virtue-signaling wave of a few years ago) is a failure of leadership.
- Define winning broadly. There’s no final scoreboard. Winning includes the daily experience you create for yourself, your colleagues, and your clients, whether people trust you enough to know you’ll catch them when they fall.
- People problems, not how problems. Most business failures come from who you bet on, not what you decide. Zimmer’s hardest-earned lesson: people don’t change because you want them to. He still has to fight the ego that says he can manage someone into being different.
- Pain is the initiation fee. You’re not really in the game until you’ve lost a client, been humiliated, felt your stomach drop, and gotten out of bed anyway. The good news: next Tuesday you won’t remember what hurt this Tuesday.
Actionable insights
- Before any negotiation, map both sides’ ground truth: what is normal for your side, what the counterparty can actually afford, and where the gap will be bridged. Walk in already aligned on the architecture of the deal.
- Ask “who is my real competitor?” at least once a quarter. If you’re fighting peers while a platform is eating your margin, you’re playing the wrong game.
- When hiring or partnering, stop telling yourself the story that you can change this person. Judge them on who they are today, not who you think you can manage them into becoming.
- Protect culture aggressively, even when it costs you. Remove toxic high performers; expect a short-term dip; trust the longer step forward.
- Diversify revenue streams before the core business starts shrinking, not after. If a key profit pool (like backend ownership) is structurally eroding, acquisitions can compress years of organic build.
- Develop taste as a career moat. Read widely (Zimmer recommends Lonesome Dove and I Know This Much Is True), study what makes a story or a deal good, and stay curious across domains.
- When something is clearly the right thing to do, say it publicly and quickly. Don’t over-process memos or statements, your silence has a cost your PR team won’t show you.
- Don’t take the daily drama too seriously. Ask yourself “what was I so upset about last Tuesday?” as a regular reset.
- Build teams around your clients (or customers). Multi-hyphenate clients need specialists across book, TV, live, production, brand; the job of the lead is orchestration, not trying to do it all.
- For young people: find a real apprenticeship. Some crafts (great agenting, great dealmaking) can only be learned inside the environment where they’re practiced.
Chapter Summaries
- Origin story: Flunking out of Boston University, getting stabbed in a Boston parking lot at 19, and getting rescued by a grandfather who got him into the William Morris mailroom in 1979. He won his first desk job by quietly fixing his future boss’s wobbly chair over lunch.
- Spotting talent: Zimmer admits his instincts aren’t infallible. The one constant filter is whether the person has a real, transcendent connection to the product, not swagger, pedigree, or confidence.
- Evaluating writers: A great script announces itself on page one, Good Will Hunting, The Fugitive, Dead Poets Society, The Sixth Sense. You feel the voice and the place immediately. Bets on new talent are spread across young agents so the cost of any one miss is small.
- Building an agency team: Modern agencies wrap teams around multi-hyphenate clients (film, TV, music, publishing, live, production). The lead agent orchestrates; the team has to feel connected to the client’s identity.
- Pain as initiation: Losing clients, public humiliation, near-death of the company. Zimmer describes the founder-stomach of feeling the foundation crack, but argues most “make or break” moments fade from memory within a week.
- Near-miss acquisition: UTA came close to buying a big music agency right before the pandemic; the deal collapsed at the last minute. The pandemic then zeroed out music, and carrying that debt would have been disastrous. Lesson: not every “lost” deal is a loss.
- Standing up publicly: The Weinstein memo (“Harvey earned his demise”), canceling the Oscar party for an anti-Muslim-ban rally on behalf of an Iranian client nominated for an Oscar, and why he thinks corporate America is failing at this moment.
- The “raping and pillaging” gaffe: At ICM, Zimmer got briefly fired for a quote describing how agencies attacked each other’s clients. Illustrates both the intensity of the business and the cost of saying the quiet part out loud.
- Competing with Ari Emanuel: Decades of rivalry, different playbooks (Emanuel’s public-company acquisition vehicle vs. Zimmer’s profit-first private approach). Both stepped down roughly the same week. Zimmer’s view: fierce competition made him better; emulate what rivals do well, ignore the rest.
- The castle-of-gold metaphor: Agencies stealing each other’s “goats” while platforms sit on all the gold. The real threat to the business is the consolidation of buyers (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube) and their appetite for buying out backends, eroding the ownership mechanism that historically built artist wealth.
- Diversification through M&A: 19 acquisitions in 13 years. Zimmer didn’t speak the language of PE or banking at first; he went to New York and learned it because he knew diversification from zero takes too long when the environment is shifting.
- Backends and ownership: A clear explainer of how first-dollar gross, cash-break-zero, imputed fees, and Netflix’s buyout model stripped artists of long-term ownership, the Taylor Swift parallel, why ownership of IP/royalties is still one of the best asset classes.
- The secret to great deals: Great clients first, then deep understanding of the buyer’s constraints, then pre-deal alignment. Make the room hotter, the chair lower, all of that is theater; what matters is the work done before the meeting.
- Standing by talent: The M. Night Shyamalan story, including how their relationship ended gracefully after night fired him. “If you can hold that, you’re going to have a much nicer ride in business.”
- People, not how: Most problems are people bets. Zimmer’s repeated lesson: don’t hire someone hoping you can manage them into being different.
- Culture and toxic stars: Removing toxic high performers always felt scary and always made the company better. Short-term dip, bigger step forward, reinforced values.
- The future of Hollywood: Zimmer is worried. Legacy studios’ ad revenue ($7-9B) is dwarfed by YouTube/Meta/Google/Amazon ($40-295B). AI is both a threat and a tool. Union strikes would be devastating. Calcified thinking is why Netflix was built outside the industry and then ate it.
- Talent as landlord: 50 Cent’s Shreveport production studio, Tyler Perry in Atlanta, Taylor Sheridan in Texas. Talent is increasingly becoming the entrepreneur, the landlord, the owner, not just the performer.
- Closing moments: Zimmer reflects on the “pinch me” experiences, watching Guns N’ Roses headline Coachella on his birthday, getting a courtside hug from LeBron James, and his advice to young people: develop taste, read widely, stay curious. His book recommendations: Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry and I Know This Much Is True by Wally Lamb.