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20VC: Twitter's Most Controversial VC Delian Asparouhov on Inside the Walls of Founders Fund: What the World Does Not See | Why Western Europe Will Be Like the Third World | Why SaaS as an Industry Might Be Dead

20VC · Harry Stebbings — Delian Asparouhov · July 29, 2024 · Original

Most important take away

Extraordinary careers as a junior VC are not built behind a desk — they require willingness to do the things senior GPs cannot or will not do (red-eye flights, deep technical diligence, fast turnarounds) and to differentiate via a single specialty rather than trying to be generically good at every part of the job. Delian also argues that pure-SaaS investing is structurally weakening: zero marginal distribution cost also means zero marginal returns once AI lets two Stanford kids replicate your product in a weekend, so the next decade favors capex-heavy, deep-tech, founder-led companies with real moats.

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Actionable insights and career advice from the conversation:

Junior VC career strategy

  • Treat venture as the most commoditized product in tech (the deliverable is dollars). Your only moat is brand and differentiation, so pick one specialty early. Delian chose aerospace/frontier tech in 2017 before it was consensus and let that be the surface area people associated with him.
  • Use Sarah Tavel’s five-part VC job framework: (1) top-of-funnel sourcing, (2) developing taste/nose for deals, (3) internal selling to win partnership conviction, (4) external selling to win the founder, (5) post-investment value-add. Late-career you need to be world-class at three; early on, focus on one. Delian deliberately attacked (5) first by making himself useful to Keith Rabois’s existing portfolio, which generated founder references (e.g., Max Rhodes of Faire) that won him later deals.
  • In year one, open the aperture wide — meet roughly a thousand founders to calibrate what “great” looks like — but wait to pull the trigger on investments until your taste is calibrated against datapoints like Parker Conrad, Eric Glyman, Alex Wang.
  • Do the things partners won’t: cold-email response in hours, hop a red-eye within a week, read the company’s scientific papers, run a 100-question diligence the GP requested but cannot personally execute on a one-week turnaround. That gap is where junior VCs win deals (Sword Health is the case study).
  • Mistake to avoid: trying to be generically good across all five job pillars and across many sectors. You become top-of-mind for no one.

How to win deals inside a partnership (Founders Fund specifically)

  • Take the “path of most resistance”: route deals through the most critical partners first to build a coalition of 2–3 high-conviction investors below the GP level before bringing it to Peter Thiel. Going straight to Peter on a deal Delian himself loved (Sword Health double-down at $100M post) cost him a position that would now be worth ~$300M.
  • Small team size (~12 investors) creates n² = ~130 manageable internal relationships; collaboration is genuine because there is no deal-by-deal economic credit. Once you cross ~20 people (n² = 400), the culture breaks.

Operating lessons from Keith Rabois

  • The “Hollywood model” of company building: do not A/B test your way to a vision. Write the script (strong vision), then cast the Tom Cruises (find the ideal co-founders for each risk area), then raise the money and ship. Lean Startup customer-feedback orthodoxy works for marginal SaaS-for-plumbers improvements; it does not produce Tesla, SpaceX, iPhone, or NVIDIA CUDA.
  • Identify “the spark”: there is no founder archetype, but elite founders are 99th-percentile in some narrow esoteric domain (IOI gold medal, geopolitics, freight forwarding at 18). Look for that spike and then assess whether it translates to the current company.
  • Statistical/cohort thinking applied to business operations — what Delian saw Keith do as Square COO in July 2012 — is still rare and is the single skill that made him want to leave engineering for investing.

Tech / market patterns

  • SaaS-as-a-category warning: marginal distribution cost is zero, but with modern AI marginal returns are also approaching zero because moats erode — “two Stanford kids can replicate your SaaS-for-plumbers in a weekend.” Companies like ServiceTitan are better understood as LVMH-style brand/distribution plays than as Tesla-style technology companies. Invest accordingly.
  • The future of venture returns is reverting to pre-2000s Silicon Valley: capex-intensive, low-margin, deep-tech, hardware, aerospace, defense, biotech, materials. The investor profile that wins is the broad polymath (à la Vinod Khosla), not the financial-analysis-plus-software-PM operator.
  • Specialist sector funds (SaaS-only, fintech-only) will struggle most in the next decade because their constraints prevent them from chasing whatever wave is actually generating outlier IRR. Founders Fund’s only rule is “there are no rules.”
  • Top three VCs in 10 years will look largely like today’s top three. Sequoia and a16z becoming RIAs points toward a BlackRock-shaped future for some; the founder-friendly small-team model (Founders Fund) remains the best fit for seed/Series A.

Deal heat and pricing

  • Deal heat is uncorrelated with outcome in Delian’s portfolio: Sword Health (no competition, set own terms) and Ramp (5–6 competing offers) are both monster outcomes. Don’t fetishize cold deals or panic about hot ones.
  • Price discipline matters but not absolutely: pay up for second-time exited founders or generational visions, but a first-time founder demanding 25 post signals they will keep submitting to market dynamics rather than thinking for themselves.

Operating-while-investing (Varda)

  • Running Varda upgraded four of the five VC pillars: better top-of-funnel (founders now know him), faster/deeper diligence (he can call former managers of any aerospace candidate in 36 hours), and a perfect close rate on contested deals since founding the company.

Founder vs. investor alignment

  • Founders Fund’s core thesis since 2004: outlier returns only come from founder-led companies. Even when professional CEOs like Satya or Dara deliver great returns, the truly generational outcomes (SpaceX, Meta’s open-source AI bet, Tesla) require founder moral authority and risk tolerance. Delian believes the Travis Kalanick ouster cost Uber the self-driving future.
  • Practical implication for VCs: do not let firm-side anxiety (need for markups, “first big deal” pressure) push founders into short-term thinking. Most VCs subtract value precisely this way.

Personal / life advice

  • Marrying up / partner selection: discard your pre-prescribed checklist. The signal is whether you can be 100% yourself — including the 10% prior partners asked you to edit out — and have the person love that.
  • Becoming a parent unexpectedly improved baseline mood and resilience to professional stress more than he anticipated.
  • Self-awareness about flaws: Delian knows he cannot run on four hours of sleep for a week like Elon or Brian Chesky, so he deliberately co-founded with someone (Will Bruey) who can, and chose the president/chairman role at Varda rather than CEO because he isn’t certain he can be a top-0.1% CEO but is certain his co-founder can.

Twitter / public profile

  • Polarization is a feature, not a bug: a divisive public persona costs you some founders and wins you others (Glyman/Karim at Ramp self-selected toward his immigrant/anti-woke posture). Founders benefit when VC character is on display.
  • His one self-correction: attack ideas, not people. He’s been pulled aside by Brian Singerman roughly 6 times in 5 years over his tweets.

Chapter Summaries

  • Bulgarian-American identity and the case against Western Europe: Delian’s bicultural upbringing left him feeling foreign in both countries. He argues Western Europe (UK, France, Germany, Spain) is collapsing into a “museum” while Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Romania, Poland) — which still believes in capitalism, engineering, and the post-Soviet hunger to build — will rival the first world within a decade. Cites EnduroSat in Sofia as evidence.
  • Aristocracy and the great-man theory: Europe killed its aristocracy and stagnated; America still tolerates multi-generational wealth dynasties (Vanderbilt → Rockefeller → Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos), which Delian sees as a prerequisite for great-man outcomes. The cost of producing Elon Musks is also tolerating SF’s drug-addict tail risk.
  • Meeting Keith Rabois at Square (2012): An 18-year-old intern watches Keith present a cohort analysis explaining Square’s July growth dip and decides on the spot to leave engineering for investing. Keith later cold-replied to his email in five hours because Delian had been a productive but eccentric intern (short shorts, climbing AC ducts) that no one complained about — proof he must be a strong engineer.
  • Keith’s three operating/investing lessons: (1) The Hollywood model — strong vision first, cast co-founders to each risk, then raise and build (the origin of Varda’s structure). (2) Look for “the spark” — 99th-percentile excellence in something esoteric. (3) Stay operationally fresh by going deep with portfolio companies the way Keith does.
  • Becoming a great junior VC at Khosla: Do what GPs won’t. Red-eye to Portugal within a week of a cold email, read the scientific papers, run Vinod’s 100-question diligence list. That’s how Sword Health got across the line.
  • The five-part VC job framework (per Sarah Tavel) and the importance of differentiating early on one axis. Delian’s: aerospace specialty + portfolio support (job #5).
  • Biggest miss: failing to double down on Sword Health at $100M post in late 2019 because he went directly to Peter rather than building bottom-up coalition. That $10M check would be a $300M position today. Lesson: take the path of most resistance.
  • Inside Founders Fund: small team (~12) keeps relationships personal and collaborative; no deal-by-deal credit; family-style culture (annual retreat tracks new hires and new babies). Continued strength depends on cultivating the next decade’s Brian Singermans / Trae Stephenses / Napoleons from current juniors — and FF currently has only one investor under 27.
  • Founder-friendly investing debate with Harry: Delian defends FF’s near-absolute commitment to never ousting founders. Travis at Uber, Zuck open-sourcing Llama vs. Satya’s public-market constraints, etc. Concedes Satya is a counterexample but maintains generational returns are founder-led.
  • Disagreement with the partnership: Brian and Trae believe great founders need no help; Delian invests heavily in job #5 (board work, monthly check-ins) and believes 80–90% of VCs detract value (echoing Vinod’s number). Causes: firm-driven anxiety for markups; out-of-date operational opinions.
  • How Varda makes him a better investor: founder mindshare, faster/deeper diligence via aerospace network, 100% close rate on contested deals.
  • Deal heat is uncorrelated with outcome; price discipline matters but is overrated relative to founder quality.
  • The SaaS-is-dying thesis: zero marginal distribution = zero marginal returns; ServiceTitan is closer to LVMH than to Tesla; the next-generation winners are deep-tech polymaths and the sector-specialist funds are the biggest losers of the next 10 years.
  • Twitter philosophy: be honest, expect to lose some founders, attract others. Don’t take seriously people over 35 who are straight and unmarried with no kids — long-term thinking requires recognizing you have to produce a next generation.
  • Marrying up and parenthood: throw out the checklist, find someone who loves the un-edited you. Children unexpectedly recalibrated his baseline mood upward.
  • Most radical untweeted thought: in the next 100–200 years humanity will speciate via embryo selection, CRISPR, and off-planet selection pressure — homo luna, homo marsh, etc. — which could make today’s geopolitical divisiveness look quaint.
  • Quickfire: best board member he sits with is Seth Bannon (50 Years); has been pulled aside by Brian Singerman ~6 times over tweets; biggest hidden flaw is poor stress tolerance, which forced him to recruit a co-founder (Will Bruey) who handles existential pressure better — and to choose president/chairman over CEO at Varda.