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20VC · Harry Stebbings — Joe Lonsdale · March 11, 2024 · Original

Most important take away

Joe Lonsdale argues that the next major venture wave is “AI Services” — using AI to attack large, legacy, pre-internet service industries (healthcare billing, logistics, defense services) the same way SaaS bullied pre-cloud software incumbents over the last 15 years. For builders and investors, the actionable signal is to hunt for big, decadent, unaccountable sectors where weak competition meets a tech-culture-driven full-stack play.

Summary

Actionable insights and career/tech patterns:

  • AI Services is the next venture wave. The last 15 years produced ~500 enterprise unicorns by replacing pre-cloud software. That hunt is largely picked over. AI now unlocks a comparable opportunity in old services businesses (healthcare billing, defense services, logistics services) that were untouchable with pure SaaS. Lonsdale’s firm 8VC has identified ~12 sub-sectors where they think >$100B of value can be extracted each.
  • Pick weak competition deliberately. The “secret of success is weak competition.” Look for decadent incumbents (pre-internet/pre-cloud companies, government-adjacent monopolies, unaccountable bureaucracies) and bring a modern tech culture to crush them. Avoid head-on fights with elite teams (e.g., don’t compete with Sam Altman and Bob McGrew on foundational models — be complementary).
  • Find the gaps. Strong entrepreneurs and investors see structural gaps where accountability and metrics are missing — those are the openings. Lonsdale’s framework: “if something is broken and not facing competition, that’s where to point your resources.”
  • One dominant reason beats four weak ones. “If you have four ways you’re going to make money, you have zero ways.” Force yourself to identify the single dominant reason an investment, hire, or strategy will work. Multiple reasons usually means sloppy thinking or you haven’t figured it out yet.
  • People > markets, with rare exceptions. You almost always need the best people. The “clown car that fell into a gold mine” (Twitter) is the exception that proves the rule. Talented teams iterate when the initial approach is wrong; mediocre teams in great markets are luck.
  • Concentration vs. diversification. Lonsdale’s self-criticism: he was probably too diversified over the decade. The wealthiest entrepreneurs concentrate. Spreading attention across many companies leaves talent/leadership gaps that cost years. If you can do many things well, fine — but expect a cost.
  • Hold winners longer. Repeated personal lesson (echoed from Peter Thiel selling Facebook too early): great companies should typically be held 10–15 years longer than feels comfortable. He sold Palantir tranches too early and regrets it.
  • Consumer vs. enterprise self-awareness. The Backplane/Lady Gaga failure taught him he’s an enterprise-product person, not a consumer one. Career lesson: stay in your circle of competence; “things that are too much fun” is a warning flag.
  • Schedule the sacred. Workouts, kid time, Shabbat dinner — block them and only cut for true emergencies. Then go hard in the remaining 60–70 hours. Sleep 7+ hours; he works materially better with it.
  • Self-censorship advice. Don’t say every thought publicly — explore controversial ideas privately with trusted people first. You’ll discover where you were wrong before paying a public cost. But on substance and dysfunction inside a company, drive toward the problem fast.
  • Accountability as a design principle. Whether running prisons, governments, or companies — tie pay/results to outcome metrics. The probation reform in California (counties keep the upside of lower recidivism) is the template: introduce metrics and watch lazy organizations suddenly innovate.
  • Geopolitical/tech career warning. Lonsdale believes a China conflict in the next ~4 years is a real possibility; consider that risk when planning where to build, where to manufacture, and which markets to bet on. AI + onshore manufacturing is a real investable theme.
  • Elon as a model operator. High clock-speed, willingness to dismiss noise, drive straight at the substance, attract top talent. Worth modeling as a leadership pattern.

Chapter Summaries

  • Childhood and self-awareness: Lonsdale describes himself as a gifted, overconfident, competitive kid who was always benchmarking himself against the best. Hitting the hard math class at Stanford and landing mid-pack taught him he wasn’t going to be a mathematician — a useful career filter.
  • Career inflection points: Getting into PayPal (after Max Levchin initially rejected him), being pulled in by Peter Thiel afterwards, and convincing Thiel to keep funding the early Palantir project when internal pressure tried to kill it.
  • America as a “frontier nation”: He frames America’s strength as the tension between “core” (safety, rules, status games) and “frontier” (accountability, danger, innovation). Both are needed, but the country is sick because the core has lost accountability.
  • The accountability crisis: Examples from prisons (California’s overpaid, no-outcome-measured prison guards) and his nonprofit Social Profit Corrections, which aims to run a prison on pay-for-performance (lower recidivism, higher employment).
  • Woke mind virus: He calls it a postmodern religion that fills a transcendence void, focused on virtue signaling over competence. It’s a symptom of decadent, unaccountable institutions — fix the brokenness and the wokeness recedes (as happened in the probation reform).
  • Broken universities: His University of Austin project with Bari Weiss and Niall Ferguson. Top schools now teach self-censorship; administrators outnumber students at some elite schools; two-thirds of students self-censor. Solution requires courageous individuals modeling pushback.
  • Restoring the frontier: Fix the administrative state with technology and sunset rules — “scalpel, not sledgehammer.” Worried about populist sledgehammers on both right and left.
  • 2024 election and China: Leans toward Trump’s side on regulatory reform despite Trump’s flaws. On China: force TikTok divestiture, treat Xi Jinping as a serious threat, but distinguish the regime from the Chinese people. Hopes to avoid full deglobalization.
  • Russia/Ukraine and Israel: Supports pushing back on Putin but ending the conflict; supports Israel destroying Hamas after October 7, arguing the surrounding generation has been indoctrinated as a “death cult.”
  • Parenting and wealth: Schedule kids as sacred time; expose wealthy children to the world’s gaps and to the responsibility that talent creates. Money’s value is the ability to fund fixes (nonprofits, legislation via Cicero, the university).
  • Investing philosophy: People > markets with rare exceptions; he was probably too diversified; should have held Palantir/Facebook/etc. longer. Successes: Addepar, Anduril, OpenGov, Resilience, Apparis. Failure: Backplane (with Lady Gaga) taught him to stay out of consumer.
  • The Wish lesson: Invested at $6M post; company hit $25B IPO then crashed. Mix of Chinese government tilting the field toward domestic competitors, founder personal struggles, and not selling on the way up cost him hundreds of millions.
  • AI services thesis: The new wave. Use AI to attack old, fat, pre-internet services industries. ~12 identified sub-sectors with >$100B of value to extract each. Pick weak competition; be complementary to foundational-model leaders, not in front of them.
  • Quickfire: Most changed mind — parenting (he had no idea what he was doing). Biggest worry — war with China within the decade. Best co-founder if available — Elon. Biggest BS advice — “radical candor”; he’d nuance it. Core lesson from mentors — find the one dominating reason; multiple reasons mean zero reasons.